From doug@Deakin.Edu.Au Sun Jun 19 20:47:42 CDT 1994 Article: 7715 of rec.games.bridge Path: news.tamu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!doug From: doug@Deakin.Edu.Au (Douglas Newlands) Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge Subject: Re: Help Suit Game Tries Date: 19 Jun 1994 22:33:40 GMT Organization: School of Computing & Mathematics - Deakin University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <2u2h44$hf0@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> References: <2tv40a$33o@dopey.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: eowyn.cm.deakin.edu.au In article davidlm@netcom.com (David L Moore) writes: :andyl@dopey.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew P. Lentvorski Jr.) writes: :were invented by Iain McLeod and are described in his book :"Bridge is an Easy Game". Crowhurst quotes this book: : :7 J65 1H 2H :KQT862 A753 3D 4H :K84 QJ62 :AT2 95 : :In response to a trial bid responder may make another trial biud :which denies help in the first suit but shows values in the second. So following this logic, shouldn't the above hand be bid 1H-2H;3C-3D;4H. The author has perhaps been sucked in by seeing both hands. I play slightly differently when responding to the trial bid; 3 of the agreed suit is signoff; 4 of it says I have extras but no particular fit; raise of trial suit says no extras but have fit in it and trumps; new suit above agreed suit is cue with trial suit fit and extras; 3NT same but no cue available. Consider AQxxx Kxxx 1S-2S;3C-4C;4S x xxx Qx xxx AQxxx Kxx AQxxx Kxxx 1S-2S;3C-4D;6S x xxx Qx Axx AKxxx Qxx Hope they are not too "cooked". Strictly the second needs a black jack or ten to be good but it's the underlying idea that's important. When you make a slam try; presumably a cue above 3 of the agreed suit; you can precede it with a trial or not to differentiate whether a singleton(void) is held or not. doug.